Anonymous v. Scientology

Mr. Bunker, I have asked you several times not to ...

2008-09-20T10:28:00.000-07:00

Mr. Bunker, I have asked you several times not to contact me. Now you are following me around the internet. I will ask you one last time not to contact me in any way shape or form. Do not follow me around on the internet.

Oh, good. it will take him a week to see he typed...

2008-09-20T05:39:00.000-07:00

Oh, good. it will take him a week to see he typed "I can be reach."

Typical quality research from the man.

Within minutes of this post, an Anon tried to post...

2008-09-19T11:46:00.000-07:00

Within minutes of this post, an Anon tried to post something. The poster referred to a grammatical error from the other day. It was a grammatical error. I corrected it. I meant it when I said debate was over. Debate is over.

To ID Anonymous: I talked to Kurt (or Curt) today ...

2008-09-17T17:05:00.000-07:00

To ID Anonymous: I talked to Kurt (or Curt) today from Tri-tronics. He said he had already talked to you, and that Tri-tronics is not connected to a wireless network. I think I have already demonstrated that Anonymous is a gang who talks out of their ass. Luckily Anonytensil has not sent me any four page rants in the last couple of days

Good Work, Sailor.

2008-09-15T21:58:00.000-07:00

Good Work, Sailor.

I must be dealing with kids

2008-09-15T19:47:00.000-07:00

I must be dealing with kids

That might be true, and for your sake I hope its t...

2008-09-15T19:12:00.000-07:00

That might be true, and for your sake I hope its true, because I talked to a manager by the name of Kurt at Tri-tronics today.
I worked on Research Loop (where Tri-tronics is) at a place called First Data before they closed down. I just don't remember any houses in the business complex or near it.

On the other hand I doubt it if a business would not password protect their wireless network. Also even if it was true, you would not admit it because that would require giving up your identity

Nice try, but I actually live nearby and use their...

2008-09-15T17:43:00.000-07:00

Nice try, but I actually live nearby and use their connection sometimes on my laptop. I'll make sure to kick them off my connection cycle to keep those nice people away from you. They seem nice enough that they shouldn't have to bother with all that.

I rather doubt that

2008-09-15T14:34:00.000-07:00

I rather doubt that

Oooh, post another one, JBBII! We're all waiting ...

2008-09-15T14:16:00.000-07:00

Oooh, post another one, JBBII! We're all waiting with baited breath!

"A real academic wouldn't have even reported back ...

2008-09-15T13:56:00.000-07:00

"A real academic wouldn't have even reported back until they'd gotten unbiased third party reports of the incident."

I can't talk to the police because I don't have the police reports so I don't know who to talk to. That's why asked for the police report.

A real academic? How do you know? My mentor is a graduate level academic. His name is Tony. What goes on among academic is revealing. You can remove whatever stereotypes you have of what an academics is. Tony has undone any stereotype I had about how an academic should behave. He has some interesting experiences

Hopefully, in a few years I will be in graduate school. If not, or I decide to do something else, oh well!

And, I have said it soooo many times, are you not ...

2008-09-15T13:30:00.000-07:00

And, I have said it soooo many times, are you not listening? We.Will.Not.Give.You.Any.Info.That.Reveals.Our.Identities.

Which includes the police reports. If that means you can't continue your research and verify our claims, then maybe, just maybe, instead of relying on what the biased scilons say, you can conclude that the matter is yet unresolved, due to the unavailability of critical evidence. You know academics are allowed to do that right? When you don't have enough info on something, you just say there isn't enough to make a conclusion. You don't just side with the accused because you don't like the accusers lol.

Lol you are totally oblivious to what's going on. ...

2008-09-15T13:27:00.000-07:00

Lol you are totally oblivious to what's going on. Yeah we wore masks before Chanology. We put them on for lulz in videos to each other and such, you know because we are ANONYMOUS... meaning we hide our identities... We didn't every really go out into public with masks though. The V-mask meme was especially convenient when we did start chanology, because it allows us to remain anonymous in public AND serves the dual purpose of protecting us from fair game.

What point are you trying to make with the mask thing?

No I am not concluding my research based on just w...

2008-09-15T13:20:00.000-07:00

No I am not concluding my research based on just what he said. That is why asked for the police reports. Since you have claim to talked to Sic members, who are the members. What are their names?

The police reports please!

Your reason for wearing makes started long before the Sci campaign. At least a year before the Sci campaign, I saw vids on you tube with Anons wearing the V for Vendetta for masks.

You tell me to prove it and show my sources, and t...

2008-09-15T13:07:00.000-07:00

You tell me to prove it and show my sources, and turn right back around and tell me you won't give out your researchers and academics?

It works both ways

If you go back to our earliest discussion, I said ...

2008-09-15T13:03:00.000-07:00

If you go back to our earliest discussion, I said I was interested in academic research. I also said I was jot yet in Graduate school. I am not a professional. That still does not mean, I cannot be accepted to present academic paper if I meet certain standards

News Journals and academic standard are not the same.

I was not inside the Sci building. Pictures and video will show that. I doubt it if you were looking out for me

Whether CESNUR is well respected or not, it is still and academic organization with academics in it. Have you ever been one? I went to the one in London in April 2008. There were former Moonies there talking about their experiences. Michael Langone from the Anti-cult org the International Cultic Studies Association was there

Since you cannot give me the names of your academics and researcher, then they do not exist. I believe you are making this up as you go

News journals do not require a source list.

"any 4 year university student will have written dozens more research papers than you have." Huh

You must have missed our discussion where I said I have a bachelor degree and am seeking a post-baccalaureate certificate.

I have asked once not to name-call. I will not ask you again. I don't intend on making the same mistake I made on your message board

And you're still ignoring this little gem. Going ...

2008-09-15T13:03:00.000-07:00

And you're still ignoring this little gem. Going to try to argue how you're weren't wrong here? The RTC is just as full of dogshit as you are.

I don't care whether or not you believe they commi...

2008-09-15T13:02:00.000-07:00

I don't care whether or not you believe they committed crimes in Tucson. I am not willing to show you the police reports, for our protection. But this whole thing is a non issue.

I have been citing and proving things. You have yet to show me any documentation that says Fair game was retracted. I showed you specifically how that so called "retraction" statement hubbard issued didn't apply to handling techniques or policies. I have yet to see this 1991 policy you mentioned that negates Fair game.

JBBII, we have gone over this.I refuse to allow my...

2008-09-15T12:58:00.000-07:00

JBBII, we have gone over this.

I refuse to allow my information to be given to those slimy creeps, so I have no reason to release police reports to you. Did you ask your buddy in the red truck why he got pulled over? Cos I know. And ask him what MY license plate number is. Cos I don't drive. There's a reason we wear masks. It's so they DON'T know who we are.

Also, upset over getting revealed as the cult apologist you are? Stop raging long enough to read EVERYTHING. If you're really the graduate student you say you are, you will read EVERYTHING. Without bias and without prejudice. And the truth shall set you free.

OR. You can go back to the Sci center and pay them to audit out your problems. It's really up to you.

Yeah I know our evidence doesn't meet your lofty s...

2008-09-15T12:55:00.000-07:00

Yeah I know our evidence doesn't meet your lofty standards, that's why I didn't email you dear.

Well Mr. Academic, you are again making a fool of yourself. If you want to examine these alleged crimes further, you don't go and interview the suspected criminals and take their word as the final say in the matter. You would go talk to the police, the unbiased third party.

Of course if you ask the guy who was following us what he was doing he won't admit to a crime. Are you insane? You are seriously concluding your research into the matter after discussing it with them. A real academic wouldn't have even reported back until they'd gotten unbiased third party reports of the incident.

We have talked to the Scilons, in person on many different occasions. We know their side of the story. In fact we've documented and discussed on our website all of our conversations with them. You are the one who needs to do more research. You haven't the slightest idea of what is happening on our end of things.

See here's the thing about Academics, with a capit...

2008-09-15T12:15:00.000-07:00

See here's the thing about Academics, with a capital A there.

You keep saying you are an Academic as if it's an official title. Real Academics actually have official titles, and positions... ***SPOILER ALERT*** and their titles don't include the word 'academic' anywhere in them. All of the humor and irony of me saying we have Scientists, Academics, Professionals and Grad Students was completely lost on you there. No real Academic would say they are an Academic... they'd simply give their job title. Now since you've been so painfully clear you have nothing to hide about your identity, I'm sure you would have given us your official title.

Guess what. Censur is not a well respected journal/organization. It is a private interest group. You saying you presented articles for them is like me saying I presented articles for Yiitucson.com, and that makes me a real life official Professional Researcher Extraordinaire.

Another thing. Academic standards are the standards of news journals, at the BARE MINIMUM. Academic standards are much higher. I was showing you that even an INDEPENDENT ONLINE MEDIA SOURCES THAT ACCEPTS CONTRIBUTIONS FROM ANYONE ON THE INTERNET WITHOUT ANY KIND OF CREDENTIALS OR ESTABLISHED BODY OF WORK, HAS CHOSEN TO REMOVE YOUR "WORK" from it's published entries.

Another thing. What's with this always accusing us of being young thing? First off, are you that prejudiced against young people? Funny: any 4 year university student will have written dozens more research papers than you have. And second, what makes you think we are so young? Everyone was wearing masks. Those of us that weren't wearing hats didn't have gray hair. That's the only criteria you could have used to judge our age John... no gray hair lmao. Hair dye has been around for decades you know. Third, we were actually hoping and praying you would show up to the raid. We were keeping a sharp eye out for you too. So if you were there filming and such, you would have had to have been inside the org, with the Scilons. Also, you know how proof works, we won't believe a word you say till you prove it, so go upload those pics and videos you have, otherwise you're full of shit as usual.

In either case you were too cowardly to come up to us and discuss anything, after raging over and over about how you were going to show up at a raid and show us a thing or two.

And seriously John, we've been talking for awhile now and you still don't understand the concept of Anonymous? Do you really think I'd give you the names of our Researchers?

I have been doing this for 10 years Stop telling m...

2008-09-15T09:27:00.000-07:00

I have been doing this for 10 years Stop telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. I know what religious intolerance is.

Don't try telling me that making comments and laughing about it, as was done in this video, is not intolerance. Since you weren't there you have no way of knowing for sure

It might be free speech, but its still intolerance. Another example of intolerance is Neo-nazi groups or the KKK. They have free speech, but its still intolerence

"Although we don't brag about it, many of us Bad T...

2008-09-15T09:07:00.000-07:00

"Although we don't brag about it, many of us Bad Tucson Anons are Academics and Researchers. We got professionals, scientists, grad students, what have you. Just trust me when I say, Game Recognize Game, and you lookin kinda unfamiliar"

I want the names of your academics. All I have ever seen at Anonymous protests are "kids." I was at the protest Saturday. I have the pics and vid to prove it. I believe you are not telling the truth. You probably have some kind of conception of what an academic is like. You would be surprised.

"I only brought up the hiding of your article in t...

2008-09-15T08:58:00.000-07:00

"I only brought up the hiding of your article in the first place to show you that it does not meet academic standards."

Are you serious? Academic standards are not the standard of news journals, I have my Bachelor degree. I am getting a post baccalaureate certificate. In the past 5 years I have presented three research papers on religion at CESNUR conferences. I would not be doing this if I did not meet some sort of academic standard

You had better think hard before you open your big mouth. You need to do more research. I found this attempt to discredit me insulting

I did my research. Bunker never mentioned a court ...

2008-09-15T08:36:00.000-07:00

I did my research. Bunker never mentioned a court case when I brought this up to him. I called the LAPD Police Commissioners office to get the "scoop. According to the Commissioners Office if Sci or LAPD officer though he was going to cause problems he could be denied entry or removed.

The only court case I am aware of involving Bunker is the Chicago incident. I need the case number so I can look up this other case

I need you to prove that the LAPD officer in the vid was working for Sci.

You need to stop telling me I need to do a little more research or do proper research when I did the research